Comments on: To be or not to be http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:56:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Sharique http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-8246 Sharique Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:43:02 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-8246 Dear Vinaya, I will go through that link and get back to you asap. Dear Vinaya,
I will go through that link and get back to you asap.

]]> By: vinaya singh http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-8065 vinaya singh Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:32:15 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-8065 Dear Sharique, I am happy to note your comments and I would appreciate if you could visit at: "http://politeindian.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/afzal-and-the-hanging-dilemma/#comment-2882", where there is a side debate on civilized and uncivilized punishments. I have also commented out there. Thanks & Regards, Vinaya Dear Sharique,

I am happy to note your comments and I would appreciate if you could visit at: “http://politeindian.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/afzal-and-the-hanging-dilemma/#comment-2882″, where there is a side debate on civilized and uncivilized punishments. I have also commented out there.

Thanks & Regards,
Vinaya

]]> By: Sharique http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-7824 Sharique Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:19:19 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-7824 Dear Vinaya, You say <blockquote>Also, as Muslim scholars say Quran was revealed by GOD and it advocates for uncivilized punishments to criminals</blockquote> How to term any punishment as uncivilized? If hanging someone in presence of an audience is uncivilized then what is civilized? Such public executions instil fear in the hearts and would certainly prevent someone from committing the crime. I highly recommend the same for any democracy...not sure about corrupt politicians but at least they should be jailed. The problem lies within our system in which justice can be bought and hence these politicians never get punished. Dear Vinaya,
You say

Also, as Muslim scholars say Quran was revealed by GOD and it advocates for uncivilized punishments to criminals

How to term any punishment as uncivilized? If hanging someone in presence of an audience is uncivilized then what is civilized? Such public executions instil fear in the hearts and would certainly prevent someone from committing the crime. I highly recommend the same for any democracy…not sure about corrupt politicians but at least they should be jailed. The problem lies within our system in which justice can be bought and hence these politicians never get punished.

]]> By: Vinaya Singh http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-7739 Vinaya Singh Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:44:23 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-7739 Dear All, I am a liberal person and think like you, but people of India and other countries are so distressed by the act of followers of ISLAM that they couldn’t think of to be lenient to a terrorist MUSLIM. They can make a case to be lenient for any other heinous crime but not for terrorism. In my opinion, a corrupted person (based on level of corruption) should also be hanged, even if it looks uncivilized to us. This view was also echoed by SC. SC has said that if law would permit, it can sentence a corrupt person to be hanged in lamp post in front of public so that it could create some fear in the crime minded people. The SC has scholars on human rights and civilization and it would have decided to life imprisonment rather than a death sentence in this case but it didn’t do so. SC sentences very carefully. Also, as Muslim scholars say Quran was revealed by GOD and it advocates for uncivilized punishments to criminals so that human can learn a lesson and don’t repeat the heinous act. Thanks & Regards, Vinaya Dear All,

I am a liberal person and think like you, but people of India and other countries are so distressed by the act of followers of ISLAM that they couldn’t think of to be lenient to a terrorist MUSLIM. They can make a case to be lenient for any other heinous crime but not for terrorism. In my opinion, a corrupted person (based on level of corruption) should also be hanged, even if it looks uncivilized to us. This view was also echoed by SC. SC has said that if law would permit, it can sentence a corrupt person to be hanged in lamp post in front of public so that it could create some fear in the crime minded people. The SC has scholars on human rights and civilization and it would have decided to life imprisonment rather than a death sentence in this case but it didn’t do so. SC sentences very carefully. Also, as Muslim scholars say Quran was revealed by GOD and it advocates for uncivilized punishments to criminals so that human can learn a lesson and don’t repeat the heinous act.

Thanks & Regards,
Vinaya

]]> By: The Devil’s Advocate? at Serendipity http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-1062 The Devil’s Advocate? at Serendipity Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:10:40 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-1062 [...] He also fought, free of cost, the cases of the prime accused in the 2001 Parliament attack case Mohammed Afzal, Shaukat Hussain Guru and the Delhi University lecturer, S A R Geelani, who were awarded the death sentence. [...] [...] He also fought, free of cost, the cases of the prime accused in the 2001 Parliament attack case Mohammed Afzal, Shaukat Hussain Guru and the Delhi University lecturer, S A R Geelani, who were awarded the death sentence. [...]

]]> By: Sharique http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-774 Sharique Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:05:00 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-774 Thirumalai dasan.K, Its not about the number of people who are killed but its about the issue at hand. Kashmir gets preference over other states because its related to international terrorism. People are not interested in knowing how many poor die each day but they are eager to raise their voices against atrocities in Kashmir. It really is a thin line..death penalty by court and by those policemen..but then those policemen fired in defence and its their duty to do so. I don't think those can be compared. A court has full control over the verdict. Thirumalai dasan.K,
Its not about the number of people who are killed but its about the issue at hand. Kashmir gets preference over other states because its related to international terrorism. People are not interested in knowing how many poor die each day but they are eager to raise their voices against atrocities in Kashmir.

It really is a thin line..death penalty by court and by those policemen..but then those policemen fired in defence and its their duty to do so. I don’t think those can be compared. A court has full control over the verdict.

]]> By: Thirumalai dasan.K http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-769 Thirumalai dasan.K Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:08 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-769 Dear all, As for as i am concerned i am for the maximum punishment as per Indian constitution. But i am for removing the capital punishment from the system. Now, because there is some voice for Afzal, the mercy petition is submitted with the Hon president of india. otherwise nobody cares. that is the problem india having today.( Selective amnesia) ( I have read an article -in the hindu something like " 3 men killed in kashmir given importance in first page and the news of 12/13 persons killed in terror violence in northeast found 12/13th page of of the same newpaper (on particular day") Also i would like to raise the following questions to clarify myself. whether it was right when these jawans killed the other terrorists on the spot?? whether it is different from death penalty?? Or else whether these jawan should have surrendered to these terrorists and let them loot the democracy of india?? Or policemen / security personnel will be ordered not to kill any one at any circumstances. Dear all,
As for as i am concerned i am for the maximum punishment as per Indian constitution.
But i am for removing the capital punishment from the system.

Now, because there is some voice for Afzal, the mercy petition is submitted with the Hon president of india.
otherwise nobody cares. that is the problem india having today.( Selective amnesia)
( I have read an article -in the hindu something like ” 3 men killed in kashmir given importance in first page and the news of 12/13 persons killed in terror violence in northeast found 12/13th page of of the same newpaper (on particular day”)

Also i would like to raise the following questions to clarify myself.
whether it was right when these jawans killed the other terrorists on the spot?? whether it is different from death penalty??

Or else whether these jawan should have surrendered to these terrorists and let them loot the democracy of india??

Or policemen / security personnel will be ordered not to kill any one at any circumstances.

]]> By: Sharique http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-753 Sharique Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:18:43 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-753 Dan, I agree that these controversy theories but then you are comparing apple with oranges. Afzal wife wrote that letter and its not a concocted theory! Hiren, I agree that death penalty cannot be a deterrent and plus there are chances that the verdict might be wrong and thus an innocent life is lost. Dan,
I agree that these controversy theories but then you are comparing apple with oranges. Afzal wife wrote that letter and its not a concocted theory!

Hiren,
I agree that death penalty cannot be a deterrent and plus there are chances that the verdict might be wrong and thus an innocent life is lost.

]]> By: Hiren http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-750 Hiren Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:24:51 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-750 Death has not proved to be a deterrent in the cases of common criminals and is unlikely to in case of highly motivated terrorists. This is not to say that death penalty is always unjustified because being a soft state has cost us dearly in the past. In this particular case, there a are a lot of gaps which need to be filled up and until that happens, death penalty cannot and should not be given. Death has not proved to be a deterrent in the cases of common criminals and is unlikely to in case of highly motivated terrorists. This is not to say that death penalty is always unjustified because being a soft state has cost us dearly in the past.

In this particular case, there a are a lot of gaps which need to be filled up and until that happens, death penalty cannot and should not be given.

]]> By: Dan http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-748 Dan Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:52:28 +0000 http://www.shaarique.com/afzal-guru-scapegoat-or-a-terrorist/#comment-748 Why is it that every time a member of a certain monotheistic religion indulging in terrorism sans compare is brought under scrutiny that all forms of conspiracy theories start doing the rounds. It was the FBI terror nexus drivel after the 9/11 attacks and now in the clemency petition filed for Afzal has taken conspiracy theories to unprecedented highs. So if you believe Afzal's wife it was the "BAD" Security guys who made poor old lamb Afzal to commit all these horrible crimes and to make matters worse the Judge had an ongoing affair with the wife of the Defence Counsel, so the "Big Bad Judge" sent our poor lamb Afzal to the gallows. It seems that the whole world is conspiring against Afzal. So in case the Presidential review comes out with a finding that Afzal deserves nothing less than a noose around his little lamb neck, what will the conspiracy theorists come up with? May it will be along the lines that President Kalam is not a faithful member of RoP. With the whole world conspiring against him, I think it will be unfair to deny Afzal a prompt audience with Allah. Why is it that every time a member of a certain monotheistic religion indulging in terrorism sans compare is brought under scrutiny that all forms of conspiracy theories start doing the rounds. It was the FBI terror nexus drivel after the 9/11 attacks and now in the clemency petition filed for Afzal has taken conspiracy theories to unprecedented highs. So if you believe Afzal’s wife it was the “BAD” Security guys who made poor old lamb Afzal to commit all these horrible crimes and to make matters worse the Judge had an ongoing affair with the wife of the Defence Counsel, so the “Big Bad Judge” sent our poor lamb
Afzal to the gallows.

It seems that the whole world is conspiring against Afzal. So in case the Presidential review comes out with a finding that Afzal deserves nothing less than a noose around his little lamb neck, what will the conspiracy theorists come up with? May it will be along the lines that President Kalam is not a faithful member of RoP.

With the whole world conspiring against him, I think it will be unfair to deny Afzal a prompt audience with Allah.

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