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noemaun Said in Saturday, November 4th, 2006 @11:48 pm  

logic does not come with education. and it is not the question of logic here. it is the question of morals. it is whether you think others are equal to you. any righteous person, even an illiterate would not do such a thing.

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Sharique Said in Sunday, November 5th, 2006 @11:39 pm  

Question of morals?? Where did morality come into picture. They took that decision because they were biased against women..simple! and modern education can help overcome that biasness. But i do also feel that logic doesn’t come by education! Only few imbibe that quality

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Polite Indian Said in Tuesday, November 7th, 2006 @10:48 pm  

Sharique,

I inferred that the decision to make her leave her husband’s house was arrived at by keeping the Islamic law in mind. As you say it might be just the Hanafi Fiqh that is responsible for this but still it is a part of Islamic justice isn’t it?

Correct me if I am wrong. I have no intention of spreading misinformation.

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Sharique Said in Tuesday, November 7th, 2006 @11:15 pm  

Polite Indian,
There was confusion caused in the Imrana case and i am sure same is the case with the present one. The confusion was with Hanafi Fiqh, Islamic jurisprudence. As i pointed out the ineptness of religious scholars in villages in the post above (and few articles on IM as well) and this issue even stumped Deoband, who follow Hanafi Fiqh. Other Fiqhs of Islam donot have this view but as this case was unique it was not well taken my scholars at Deoband, they even took back their statement!! So to put the blame on Islam is definitely not justified.

Basically there are lot of confusion regarding rape victims in Islam. I will write a post on IM soon.

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Polite Indian Said in Wednesday, November 8th, 2006 @10:05 pm  

I understand what you are trying to say. You are saying Islam should not be blamed but a particular fiqh ie. Hanafi should be blamed. I don’t disagree.

An outsider to Islam really doesn’t understand the intricate differences between different fiqh and to the less knowledgeable it seems Islam even though it is just one part of it.

Thanks for the info BTW. I will remember.

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noemaun Said in Wednesday, November 8th, 2006 @11:27 pm  

ahhaa. no, dear polite indian, sharique is claiming that even hanafi fiqh does not endorse such stuffs. and it is the illiterate imaams who seems to misinterpret shariah.

but i am not sure if sharique is right. anyways if he is not, it would make things clear to me as to why pakistani rape victims suffer from various tribal laws.

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Chandu Said in Thursday, November 23rd, 2006 @1:20 pm  

Yes Sharique, I do agree with you. Apparently these sort of incidents will not happen in cities where the exposure to modern life is more. But I wonder who will go there and teach them and I wonder if they will be ready to listen and agree that they are wrong.

And what is with the money part? Isn’t it indecent and unfortunate to ask the victim to pay the money? The whole thing sounds confused and when you mixed it with education, it became a chaos. I mean, what is the logic behind that sentence? Usually the banishment falls up on those who are threat to the community. One man raped a lady and the lady was banished? Doesnt it say that the man can stay in the village, pay the fine(if he wants to) and rape others too and then the other ladies too will be banished from the village. That is a matter of commonsense in this particular issue not the matter of education, I think. Just I think.

It is nothing less than a barbarian act and we certainly can not attach any religion to this.

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Sharique Said in Friday, November 24th, 2006 @10:59 am  

well Chandu I think you cannot separate religion from this. Just read this post
http://www.shaarique.com/rape-laws-in-islam/

The problem is that they have misunderstood the Shariah laws and out of their ignorance they have made a chaos. In fact not only them but a some of Islamic courts are also doing this…its really unfortunate..

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tyjatbig Said in Thursday, November 22nd, 2007 @9:47 am  
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ufuwuj Said in Friday, November 23rd, 2007 @4:46 am  
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tidybejezso Said in Wednesday, November 28th, 2007 @11:56 am  
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adanilo Said in Saturday, December 22nd, 2007 @10:54 am  
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micumhi Said in Sunday, December 23rd, 2007 @6:34 pm  
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qyfzikd Said in Saturday, March 1st, 2008 @6:27 pm  

She has some of victoria swinger the wall. And told me feel uneasy too, little. Thisis.

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