Tribal leader Nawab Akbar Bugti has been killed in a battle between tribal militants and government forces in Balochistan province, Pakistan says
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5289880.stm
I wonder how many people want autonomy inside Pakistan. If these fanatics are given an opportunity they would have created a lot many Pakistans rather than one. Damn these perverts. He is Nawab Akbar Bugti.
After someone left a comment on my blog I decided to add this. The thing is that Pakistan today is represented by few fanatics who blatantly belittle the government’s control. They want to establish a state based on their own ideology. Pakistan today is segregated into sects based on religion (shia and sunni) and also linguistically. This compartmentalization has been fatal to Pakistan’s existence. Its now such a chaotic state and at the mercy of few fanatics who are self-proclaimed leaders and are guided only by lust for power. Those exhorting leaders are yet to come to terms with the fact that this world has risen above the nomadic life style of violence. In fact the present situation is Muslim countries is same what existed in Europe pre-second world war, ready to butcher masses to redraw state boundaries. We just need a Hitler among us initiate another world war. Prophet, sallahu alaiye wassalam, brought Islam to the barbaric and belligerent tribe of Arabs. Taught them to live peacefully and that violence should always be the last resort. It took centuries for the Europeans to realise this secret of progress. And most unfortunately our society has degraded from acme of success to the abyss of ignorance. But then peace has to be bilateral, isn’t it?
Here is more from Pakistaniat
The death, and the manner of death, of the veteran Baluch leader will indeed worsen the security situation in Baluchistan and exacerbate the feeling of marginalization amongst Baluchis. Nawab Bugti had, at various points in his life, ‘butted heads’ with just about all major leaders in Pakistan. His recent standoff with the Musharraf government was not the highpoint of his own political career but it may well be the lowest point of the Musharraf rule. However, more than the implications on immediate politics -
which will become more clear and more pronounced over the next many days - this marks a tragic end to the life of an important political leader.
Born on July 12, 1927, Nawab Bugto was a ‘ tribal’ who was educated at Oxford, England, Aitchison College, Lahore and Karachi Grammar School and has served as Governor and Chief Minister of Baluchistan. Mr. Bugti’s legacy was clearly a mixed one and will be much debated and much dissected. He was, however, a major leader and this was indeed a sad and tragic way to go.
Here are few facts about Akbar Bugati (from wikipedia)
Sardar Akbar Shahbaz Khan Bugti (Urdu: نواب اکبر Ø´Û?از خان بگٹی) (July 12, 1927–August 26, 2006) was the Tumandar (head) of the Warrior Bugti tribe, and operating mostly in Balochistan Province.
He was accused of being a Warlord and owning a well-organized militia (army) numbered in thousands, running dozens of militant guerrilla training camps, hundreds of murders, torture and running private prisons and courts and was in hiding from government forces in the mountain ranges of Dera Bugti from where he was directing a “Fidel Castro/Che Guevara� style guerrilla war.
On Saturday August 26, 2006, around 2230 hrs (PST), Bugti, along with his grandson Bramdakh was killed in an encounter with the security agencies of Pakistan. His location was traced through the satellite phone he was using and Pakistani secret service agencies pin-pointed his location. Pakistan’s Government considers his death an important success in the anti-terror war. Many of Bugti’s commanders were killed along with him. On August 26, 2006, the Bugti tribe had disowned Bugti as their leader, seized all his property, and proclaimed him as an “offender”. As the new flashed across TV screens in Pakistan, the government deployed Rangers and paramilitary units across major cities to prevent a backlash.
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You bloddy bastard, suppose if balouch army is looming around on the streets of Lahore harrasing people , killing at random and taking away your money, how will you feel. And how do you feel about kashmir?:
Your literacy counts for nothing as it has not even given you sense of human freedom.
Well Mr. Babar by your opening salutation “You bloddy bastard” goes on to prove your fanatic mindset, which looms over a huge majority of Pakistanis like you. I don’t generalize this…i know a lot of Pakistanis who are open-minded and soft-hearted in their approach.
Think about it. Its not always about being ready to fight but its also important to be calm and rational in our approach. And what about Kashmir huh?
“Your literacy counts for nothing as it has not even given you sense of human freedom.”
phew! don’t compare literacy rates…please give me a break
Sharique, in your analyses, you forget that the biggest problem in pakistan is not these ‘warlords, but the army which has wielded real power all through without any accountability. you seem to forget bangladesh and you forget that bugti was a secular leader who opposed taleban. you seem to forget that the army uses religious fanatics and these warlords to serve its purpose. you seem to forget that balochistan is the poorest place in pakistan despite being rich in resources. you seem to forget that every pakistani general is a multi millionaire (inUSD terms!). you seem to forget that the army disqualified candidates from contesting in pak held kashmir polls recently because they would not sign a pledge of allegiance (basically agreement to annex kashmir to punjabi army run pakistan). basically, your article is one sided. you reduce a leader to a mere trouble maker and exonerate the real trouble maker by not mentioning it. mere calmness of mind is as worthless as literacy when both matched with ignorance.
nice to see you back on my blog. Well i do acknowledge the fact that i have been one sided. i am ignorant of the facts you have mentioned. Now that you have broached the subject then let me do a little research on it and get back. BTW you would be interested in reading my articles on http://indianmuslims.in
they all are substantiated with facts
Hi,
I do visit that blog when i get the time but i did not know its the same person. i visit this blog because i’m very curious abt what indian muslims are thinking.
i find the blog as such ok. but i also find it a bit disapponting. the good part is that all the issues faced by indian muslims are voiced. the bad part is that i feel the ‘victim’ midset shows too much. i mean as issues are highlighted, rarely any introspection offered. also at times very confusing things can be read. for example the latest post on Vande Mataram controversy - one non muslim blogger has given a very balanced view - defending anyone’s right not to sing any song they don’t want to. but i was very disappointed to find not a single counterview from any muslim bloggers(its a sign of intellectual growth. having ones own thoughts is critical as opposed to always quoting from a book or quoting some religious figure). infact someone has taken it to a different direction and said that nation only exists in this life so why risk the ‘true eternal afterlife’ for the nation. totally irrelevant and frankly superstitious. but not a word from any bloggers. on the other hand no derth of articles (not necessarily on this blog) lamenting how the arab nations have squandered away the prominence they could have achieved etc etc. the arab nations are ‘earthly’ too, then if one has to worry, worry abt India’s fortunes!!! i hope i’m making my point. I feel there is a very strong insistence that because of your faith you are somehow different. and this same sence becomes a sense of alienation and leads to a victim mentality and ghettoisation. i see nobody confronting this. come on is it a coincidence that everywhere in the world muslims in minority feel alienated but where they are in majority, they are doing very poorly as nations. doesn’t this warrant introspection or its easier to belive its all a giant conspiracy?
kindly ignore any negatives i might have conveyed. i mean to be positive.
btw during my student days i had many friends from iitb. infact i used to go trekking with them. i conquered harishchandra gadh with them. was an unbelievable experience.
thats an interesting point of view. I am planning to write on this aspect of muslims, perhaps this weekend. I have been really busy with things so….in short the essence of my writing would be that for a muslim Islam is of utmost importance irrespective of anything.
so where are u from? and hows singapore?
oh forgot to add my name. trip again. singapore is hot and humid as always.
see this http://indianmavericks.blogspot.com/2006/09/murder-of-nawab-akbar-bugti.html
an excellent analysis.
thats a good analyses. pak army itself is feudal in nature unlike the indian army which is professional. the behaviour of bangladesh rifles as a political entity in recent past is also a worrying trend. if you read any bangladeshi newspapers, many of them are full of worrying reports abt India and its imperialistic hindu designs for bangladesh:) i think the feudal system is making a comeback in BD with the help of pro pakistani parties. see this does not make sense to me. when pak army killed and raped millions of bangladeshis in 1971, why do suddenly bangladeshis feel these pangs of love for a military run failing pakistan? have you thought abt it?
I very much agree to the fact that most people from the community talk in victimised tone. I am not bothered about the Arabs or the other Muslim countries as they have some valid and invalid reason of their own. But for the Indian Muslims it does make some sense to talk as a victim especially the way things have happened in the last decade and half and since most of the bloggers belong to the age of 20-30 they have these incidents fresh in their minds and it shows. There have been many excesses against certain population of the community and in almost all the cases it has been with the connivance of the state this doesn’t leave them with anywhere to go rather then feel like a victim.
Now that doesn’t mean I really subscribe to that victim mentality, the fact is that majority of the community has never directly encountered any kind of victimisation directly so logically it there doesn’t seem much of a reason to feel like a victim.
But there are some ground realities that cannot be ignored, the fact that in the current scene any one with a name starting with a Mohd or an Ahmed or a Khan etc. can be jailed followed by a press conference claiming him to be a terrorist. No questions are asked, the media simply reports them as Muslim terrorists caught, but the fact is that till date the conviction rate has been very poor in all these cases and even in the cases there has been a conviction it has been merely on confession. I mean even if I am tortured with 3rd degree I would accept anything including a plot to blow the moon and the sun. Add to all this the fact that the security agencies in the country are so highly communalised that the community has lost all trust in them
All this certainly adds up to the victim mindset and the irony is that neither the state, nor the majority community have shown any real interest in helping to erase this mindset.
I know this doesn’t suffice as an explaination, But I have too many things to say on this and that would fill up many posts.
I do not agree with what you say. I wholeheartedly agree that there have been conflicts / excesses against your community. This does not mean that the rest of the population is having a great time, but as a minority, you need more assurance of your rights. its human nature and i won’t deny that issues were / are being faced by your community. but this is still not the reason why the community feels like victims.
lets take the example of the sikhs. given their population size, have they not suffered more in the last 20 - 25 years? first the terrible insurgency in punjab and other parts where the security forces were many times more brutal than against any bomb blast suspects (convictions? do u really think they need it?). then the destruction - desecration of their holiest shrine. then the terrible riots with state connivance by secular forces. followed by years of more insurgency and senseless killing on both sides. security forces more high handed than ever. hundreds were disappeared (sic. read catch 22?)
shouldn’t the sikhs feel victimised? but look they are DOING GREAT. the PM is a sikh. but wait our President is the highly respected Mr. Kalam too.
I’ll tell you why you feel like victims. you feel like victims not because police pick up people from your community as suspects, its because you are not thriving as the sikhs are. you think its somebody else’s fault. you are victims of your own neglect of personal excellence. you, your own social leaders / reformers and political leaders (where are they? i see only religious leaders) are responsible. thats why the victim sense is unjustified. you must try to pick up modern ways without losing your identity. the sikhs and hindus in UK have done that (to give a neutral example), but your community from suncontinent has failed. this is where i demand introspection. blaming is easy.
The 3rd para clearly suggests how quicky th majority is getting communalised in the country, I have not met with a single Muslim who has such a severe victim mindset as portrayed by the media and it seems very much endorsed by you. As for thriving and the comparison with the Sikh’s I think its highly biased and unfair comparison, how many sikhs do you know??.
I’ve spent 5 years in a sikh college and some of the best friend belong to the community, the fact is they do feel victimised too inspite of the fact tht they are faring well. But they dont have a neighbouring country with which their loyalty would be questioned every day and their size and affluence have helped cover their doings. The fact is that its a fad these days to curse the Muslims, any thing goes wrong its the bloody muslims, the media is as of now too infatuated with it so even if one of them farts they say he was trying to blow up the world. So if one of them says I am victimised you blame all of them.
Now lets forget everything and talk from a different perspective, wherever there’s a minority take out the affluent immigrants. Even if there’s a little bias against them or any kinds of attrocities, they feel victimised as a whole, take the case of the black’s and hispanics in USA. And why not even the Hindu’s in Pakistan and Bangladesh feel victimised.
With all this I might surely look like one big fanatic to you trying to defend all thats wrng with the community, But thats really not the fact I m myslef pained at times to see the wrongs with them and really want to work in a direction to alleviate them. If you as an Indian citizen and some genuine concern with the wrongs with the Indian Muslims, then get involved in killing the stereotypes,solving the issues rather than cursing and criticising them all the time. That doesn’t solve anything, remember no one likes criticism however constructive it is, so help rahter than criticise.
As for my community being consdered as failed, I just don’t agree with you. My community is going through a very tough transitionary phase and it’s in best interest of the whole nation and so called successful communities in the country to help them in this phase. If they realy fail, they won’t sink alone.
Gosh you’ve made me use language I have never used before, for it was never my community as a I am almost a non-practising Muslim, but rantings from people like you really makes me go nuts.
Hi Asif,
I don’t think your community from the subcontinent is a failed community. i was only refering to the UK example.
Everybody in the world feels victimised. i have a hundred complains. as a person, as a family, as a linguistic group, as a city, as a community, as a country as a race, as a generation too
but when i am trying to be constructive, i leave it aside. thats what i’m trying to say. as to minoroties feeling victimised, the UK example brings out the contrast very well. i know many sikhs, they have complains / causes, they don’t feel victimised.
i don’t think anything constructive is coming out of this. if you can’t take critisism, then maybe you shouldn’t be reading blogs.
as far as helping the community, can you suggest a way to help (other than ’stop being blunt’)? i’ll surely give it a thought.
“The 3rd para clearly suggests how quicky th majority is getting communalised in the country,” - i wasn’t aware that majority of hindus agree with me that your community should take to modern ways without losing your identity and thrive. isn’t it nice?
he is my favourite leader of Pakistan and Musharaf is the worst president . Musharaf dont have much of power to talk with these Sardar’s .. i hate Musharaf